Question:
I am trying to find my family crest, coat of arms and history.?
hunter13437
2010-01-22 20:30:06 UTC
I am scottish and my ancesters are from the biggest and strongest clan in scotland. I want to find out my family crest, coat of arms, and history of my clan. which is clan macdonald. and we are from the thains of the isles. so yes that means my ancesters were the rulers of scotland at one point.
Six answers:
sbdfhs
2010-01-24 12:50:53 UTC
The arms will not be yours as they were granted to a member of the family and the only person entitled to use them is a direct male descendant of that person.



You will have to PROVE your links back before you can start to claim any right to the arms or to a link with the rulers of Scotland! That is what genealogy is all about - and it is hard work!



Start with your parents and grandparents and work back!
Ethel
2016-04-04 22:03:46 UTC
No such thing. A crest is part of a coat of arms and a coat of arms is awarded to an individual not a family and certainly not everyone that shares that surname. Companies that sell "family crests" are a money making scheme and nothing more. As far as finding your original surname if you have living older family members talk to them, one of them may know. Of not look through old family papers they may give you a clue, corospondiances with family that were still in Germany could be especially helpful since they would likely still have the original surname or at least give you a starting point for tracking your ancestor down before he left Germany
Maxi
2010-01-23 02:54:35 UTC
You may or may not be related to the MacDonalds (rulers of Scotland) and the only way to find out for sure is to trace your family tree and find out.



As for a family crest it is part of a coat of arms. Coats of arms do not belong to surnames and nor do they belong to families, arms are granted to individuals and there are also clan arms, however you can't just use them unless you have proof they belong to you.....no different to stealing and using anything that belongs to someone else and if you did then you can be proscecuted by the owner or Lord of Scotland.



Companies selling Coats of Arms are just a business trading on other peoples property, the people that buy lack the knowledge about ownership...no different to a business selling your house and someone buying it from them........... its called fraud.



Add: I would agree with "clontarf1002" re LDS online records, they are great to use to search, however need to be cross checked with primary records ( not transcriptions) to make sure they are correct, anyone can send any information to them as well as all their members and it is not verified before being put on. 20 years ago I took a FH class and the teacher wanted to check their system herself and sent 200 made up names with made up information to them, which they registered.
anonymous
2010-01-23 07:52:32 UTC
Shirley T and Maxi gave you great advice so there is little I can say. I would only differ in offering one caveat: my personal experience with the LDS is that where my ancestors are concerned they have published information based on supposition which has since been proven incorrect and they have not updated. If this is the case with my ancestors it could be with other. Always wait until you have well documented evidence before crying victory.
will
2010-01-23 10:28:57 UTC
coat of arms was something that was given to one person and not the family...they dont represent the family in any shape or form
Shirley T
2010-01-22 22:49:14 UTC
House of Names is a surname product peddler. They sell coats of arms(they use the misnomer family crest)like they belong to everyone with the same surname and they don't.



There is absolutely no such thing as a family crest. A crest is part of a coat of arms. Coats of arms do not belong to surnames and actually they don't belong to families in most country and this is particularly true for Scotland. In some countries you can have civil charges brought against you for displaying a coat of arms without proof that it belongs to you. In Scotland you can have criminal charges brought against you for displaying a coat of arms without documented proof that you are the individual to whom it belongs. They do have clan badges in Scotland but you would have to trace your family history to determine what specific clan to which you belong and the clan badge.



Several years back I read of a man in Scotland who had a coat of arms as a stained glass window. He was told to remove it by the Lord Lyon of Scotland. He didn't and officials from the Lord Lyon went into his home and removed it leaving him with a big drafty hole in his wall that he had to cover up.



The surname product business is a big racket. In the U.S. we have no laws regarding heraldry and a person can get by displaying any coat of arms they wish but to do so is identity theft.

Actually House of Names has this in small print on their website. No doubt it is because when a person discovers the coat of arms really isn't theirs they can bring mail fraud charges against House of Names if they sell you a coat of arms and send it to you by mail.



"tWe encourage you to study the ________ family history to find out if you descend from someone who bore a particular family crest . . . . . . . . No families, not even royal houses, can make sound claim to the right to bear arms unless a proven connection is established through attested genealogy records."



Here is a link to the Lord Lyon of Scotland



http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/216.181.html



The fact that they belong to individuals is also true of England and Wales. In Ireland, they have arms that have been granted to individuals and they have clan arms but a person just can't go by their surname to determine what their clan arms is.



Actually to find your family history you must research it starting with yourself and working back one generation at a time. Don't get overly involved in tracing your surname. Get as much information from living family as possible. Find out if any has any old family bibles. Ask to see and make copies of birth, marriage and death certificates. Depending on the religious faith, baptismal, first communion, confirmation and marriage certificates from their church can be helpful. Interview your senior members and tape them if they will let you. They probably will start telling stories of bygone days you wouldn't write down but what you might think would not be significant might later turn out to be very significant.

People who have done this say they have gone back and listened to the tape again after doing research and hear things they didn't hear the first time around.



A good source is a Family History Center at a Latter Day Saints(Mormon) Church. They have records on people all over the world, not just Mormons. In Salt Lake City, they have the world's largest genealogical collection. Their FHCs can order microfilm for you to view at a nominal fee of about $3.

I have never had them to try and convert me nor have I heard of them doing that to anyone else that has used their resources. Just visit their free website, FamilySearch.org, to get the hours for the general public to the nearest Mormon FHC.



There are lots of websites. Look for the ones that have records, not necessarily family tree. Information in family trees on any website are not submitted by some experts working for the websites but by folks like you and me, the subscribers. There are errors. You frequently will see different info on the same people from different subscribers.; Then you will see the absolute same info on the same people from different subscribers, but that no way means the information is correct. Too many people copy without verifying. The information can be useful as clues only as to where to get the documentation. Genealogy websites are not a good place to find information on the living as that can be an invasion of privacy and can lead to identity theft.



I believe the very best for the amount of records they have online is Ancestry.Com. Still you must distinguish between the records they have obtained and put online and their subscriber submitted family trees. If you find it too pricey your public library might have a subscription to it you can use for free.

When I go into their website, I prefer to go under Old Search as I can pick out specific records I want to check. It might be wise to use it for awhile at your library and get use to it as they have so much it can be overwhelming to someone new to the site.



If you run into a brickwall and come back and ask a question giving as much info you have as possible such as name, place and approximate time period. There are people here with resources and they frequently can help others.



Here is a link with 50 links to other websites, some free, some fee. Some I find are good but those that only have family trees I wouldn't spend too much time using.



http://www.progenealogists.com/top50genealogy2008.htm


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