help with finding my family's coat of arms?

Question

hay..so i need to find the coat of arms for BORDERS its english and ive searched all over the internet...plz help

Answer 1

I don't trust those internet Coat-of-Arms sites. I've looked up Borders in both "Heraldry in America" by Eugene Zieber (which covers English families) and "A Complete guide to Heraldry" by A.C. Fox-Davies. Borders isn't listed in either one.

Answer 2

Please read the information at this link before searching for or adopting a surname "family crest" on the internet. I quote a reply to your general question at length below, which was developed by rec.heraldry:



http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/heraldry.faq



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3: How can I find my coat of arms or my family's coat of arms?



This is a difficult question to answer; it requires a great deal of research and skill.



In most countries in the world, you can bear any arms you want. This is the way in which arms were originally adopted, before codification and regulation by European heralds and rulers.



However, many people consider it wrong to adopt someone else's arms. In some countries, notably Scotland, this is not only dishonourable but illegal.



In particular, there are no laws regulating the use of _non-governmental_ arms in the US. The American government neither grants nor recognizes armory. You can adopt any arms you choose and use them however you want; but you have no particular right to those arms or any other.



If you are descended from someone who was granted arms by some heraldic authority then you may have some claim to those arms within the jurisdiction of that authority. The chances are very good that you do not have any claim on any actual arms. Most people in the world do not.



Exactly what conditions you have to meet to establish such a claim vary considerably from one country to another. At the very least, you will have to prove that a recognized holder of the arms is your ancestor. In some countries, you would have to prove that you are the legal heir of that person. Getting an official recognition of your claim is likely to be expensive and time-consuming; in England, for example, it costs thousands of pounds.



*** Your last name has nothing to do with the matter. ***



Arms are not associated with surnames, but with individuals and, in some countries, with families. The important thing is who your ancestors are, not what surname you happen to bear. The fact that your name happens to be "Smith", for example, gives you no claim whatsoever on any of the thousands of arms borne throughout history by various people named "Smith."



Unfortunately, there are lots of unscrupulous businessmen worldwide who are happy to promulgate false information about the subject of armory. They will happily take your money to tell you "Your Family Arms", which they supply simply by finding an armigerous family that happens to share your surname. We suggest that you avoid these companies; if you want anything more than a decorative wall-hanging, they are a waste of your money. And if you will be happy with any pretty picture to hang on your wall, you can save yourself the trouble of dealing with these companies, and simply choose arms that you like.

Answer 3

Out of curiousity, I checked between the "foremost" supplies for coats of hands... who (with their huge study) explains that the classic Halas kinfolk became seated from historic cases at Buckinghamshire.. and wow.. is going directly to declare that HILLHOUSE is a version of this call. you recognize.. basically a kind of spelling adjustments. I additionally placed a conceivable source for the Greek remark, yet because of the fact it is composed of a myth interest and events interior the three hundred and sixty 5 days 3025, i became at a loss for that. It does of course state "the Greek Halas kinfolk". perhaps the information from George Halas' own moms and dads interior the census became a mistake?? Or they only mentioned Buckinghamshire, and the census taker mispelled it to Bohemia. If we can manage a dozen "i'm bored, wager my nationality from this p.c.", this could not be a controversy. "discover the holes in this" a minimum of delivers something to examine and use.

Answer 4

Don't fool with these peddlers of surname products that sell coats of arms like they belong to surnames. They are scam merchants.



Frequently more than one man with the same surname, not all necessarily related, were each granted or assumed their own coat of arms, all different. No one of those peddlers will have all of them. They don't need to in order to sell to suckers. The only time they will have more than one coat of arms associated with the same surname is if more than one man with the same surname from different national origins were granted or assumed one. Then they will have one of each and there might have been 50 others. Frequently the same surname has more than one national origin. Most men with that same surname are not entitled to a coat of arms at all as their direct male line ancestor was never granted a coat of arms.



Actually in England they don't belong to families at all but to individual men. They were granted to an individual. When a man was granted a coat of arms, all sons obtained one with some differences, such as cadence marks. Only the oldest son inherits his father's upon his father's death.



http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Faq.htm

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/About/12.htm#a

The College of Arms grants coats of arms in England.



In the U.S. we have no laws regarding heraldry and you are free to display any coat of arms you wish but to do so is considered usurpation of identity. If you have pride in yourself you certainly don't want to take on another's identity.



Edit: If this is a school project, please print off the links and give to your teacher. Asol feel free to print off what I have posted here and give it to your teacher.

Answer 5

Have you tried Highland Heights, Ltd. out of UK? They will research your last name, give you the last name herald, and description of coat of arms. It all depends on how much you are willing to pay.



I have found many free heraldry websites online, none got my last name herald correct. So be careful, you get what you pay for.

Answer 6

NOTE: Based on the link I have listed here, Borders is also a German surname.

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Borders



This group of people need for you to get a one of the following Y-DNA tests done:



Requirements

A Surname Project traces members of a family that share a common surname. Since surnames are passed down from father to son like the Y-chromosome, this test is for males taking a Y-DNA test. Females do not carry their father's Y-DNA and acquire a new surname by way of marriage, so the tested individual must be a male that wants to check his direct paternal line (father's father's father's...) with a Y-DNA12, Y-DNA37, or Y-DNA67 marker test. Females who would like to check their direct paternal line can have a male relative with this surname order a Y-DNA test. Females can also order an mtDNA test for themselves such as the mtDNA or the mtDNAPlus test and participate in an mtDNA project

http://www.familytreedna.com/test-descriptions.aspx

You are going to have to go to great lengths and research out your surname to see if it has any lineage that would give you the right to a coat of arms.



You may find that after all your research, your surname (based on lineage) doesn't have a coat of arms



I have left this link just in case you wanted to consider it.

http://www.4crests.com/borders-coat-of-arms.html

From this same link, I put my step-son's last name in (Tomesch)--http://www.houseofnames.com/fc.asp?sId=&s=Tomesch

They show the search to come up empty. Draw your own conslusions as to whether they are legitimate or not.



I will state that I do agree with everyone that the above site is more than likely not worth your while. I left it for your sake to make your own decisions about it.



Search FAQs

Where do I find my family’s coat-of-arms?

No family or surname “owns” a coat-of-arms. Arms are owned by an individual who has had them registered with a government official, such as the Lord Lyon, King of Arms in Scotland. Using a coat-of arms that does not belong to you is illegal and disrespects the customs and traditions of heraldry.



From the Introduction to "In Search of your British and Irish Roots" by Angus Baxter.



“Do not be led astray by advertisements offering you a coat-of-arms and a family history…unlikely you or your family have any right to a coat-of-arms…All you will get for your money is a coat-of-arms originally granted a long time ago to someone with a similar surname to yours. The odds against that person being your ancestor are great, and in any case, a coat-of-arms only descends from eldest son to eldest son.” p. xii



For more information about heraldry, please visit the following web sites:



http://www.heraldry-scotland.co.uk/ -- contains many articles about heraldry, coats-of-arms, and many links to other organizations.

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/

http://www.theheraldrysociety.com/index.htm

http://heraldry.ca/

http://www.americancollegeofheraldry.org/

http://www.heraldica.org/ has many Frequently Asked Questions about Heraldry.



A search of the catalog with the subject Heraldry will turn up numerous resources--http://thelibrary.springfield.missouri.org/faq/files/lhcofh.cfm



Where to find arms on the Web?



The next most-popular question is:

Is there a Web site of FTP site where I can look for my arms?

The answer is: No (in general: see below). No one has compiled all or even the main armories into a scholarly database; and if anyone had, it is understandable that they would be reluctant to provide the fruits of so much effort for free. If you want to look for arms born by families with the same name as yours, you need to go to a library and consult armories.



On the French Minitel (36 17),http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Minitel

there is an armory look-up which will return the coat of arms when supplied with a last name, and also provide references. This service is not accessible through the Web, it is in French, and it is not free. There are other services on the Web which will look up a name and return a coat of arms for a fee, though they usually do not provide references. Look for them with the usual search engines--http://www.heraldica.org/questions.htm#where



I have posted these two other links that give meaning to your name. Hopefully they can help you out some.



This first link, they are looking for others with that surname to join with them in searching out their origins. They have compiled a very interesting background of that surname.

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Borders

http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Borders-family-history.ashx