Question:
Is it possible to go through life without a birth certificate?
The Martyr
2008-12-18 06:22:26 UTC
A relative of mine was born around 1888/1889 but there is no record of his birth, despite several intensive searches by professional genealogists. I have lots of details about many other members of the family of that generation but nothing of this particular person. Is it possible he went through life with a birth certificate? I have his national insurance number but that has not helped pin down a birthday and year.
Nineteen answers:
2008-12-18 06:26:55 UTC
Birth registration has been compulsory in the UK for a few hundred years. He might have slipped through the net, but I wonder how he got his NI number!
Shirley T
2008-12-18 08:52:03 UTC
Absolutely in times past. Today, eventually you would have problems. Most states did not issue birth certificates until the first part of the 20th century. Still people could be enrolled in school, join the military, if they died get a death certificate etc.



Texas began issuing vital records in 1903 and they were ahead of a lot of states. However, a lot of people who were born at home or died at home did not get recorded. Both of my parents, born 1907 and 1908 respectively had to get a delayed birth certificate in order to get social security benefits. They were able to sign up for the social security program when it began in 1935 without one. My birth was recorded but I never had an employer to ask for my birth certificate when I went to work, even when I was a teen.



If you can't find church baptismal record(this would only apply to a faith that had infant baptisms) then hopefully someone has an old family bible that has the information. Family bible information was accepted by insurance companies on annuities whenever a person died in the past. Other than that you are out of luck unless the birth was in a state that required one back in 1888.



I have joked that back then they were a lot smarter than they are today. They had enough sense to know that a person had been born or a person died without a piece of paper.



Edit: You have to understand when you get back to the 19th century, particularly, most children were not born in a hospital and probably most did not have a physician present. They might have had a midwife if the mother was lucky.
genaddt
2008-12-18 07:35:12 UTC
Yes it is possible in that time period, it is not possible today. Many of my ancestors don't have official birth certificates because the state of Maine did not require records to be kept and sent to the state capitol until the early 1890's.



Back in the time period your ancestor lived a birth certificate was not needed for licenses, to get social security or anything else.



Have you obtained the person's death certificate as usually it will state a birth date and place as given by another family member.
Doethineb
2008-12-18 06:33:01 UTC
There must have been all sorts of people at that time who didn't have birth certificates because they were foundlings, or because all records were lost when they had to flee for safety to another country. Have you thought of looking for a baptismal certificate for this relative? If a person had no birth certificate, I think that a baptismal certificate could be of great assistance in enabling them to pass through life's various milestones.
Mental Mickey
2008-12-18 07:18:39 UTC
Quite possible. Or at least it was. It wasn't until after WW2 and the advent of the social state and the creation of the NHS that people really needed to start producing documents. Before this date, if you said you were 16, 18, 21 or 65 or whatever, then people generally believed you without asking for proof. Certainly, not all births were registered, even in the 1880s and later, so its quite possible this person could have slipped through the net.
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2008-12-18 07:14:09 UTC
They didn't keep records of birth officially before the 1900's, plus there were alot of courthouse fires. People use family bibles, wills, death and marriage records which might show when your relative was born also. Some of these could be found from the family, some might be in the state archives or local courthouses in records under the names you know. It costs very little to send to your state archives for information on your relative, you go to the website, fill out the form with what you do know, mail it with check, and in 6 to 8 weeks, they will send you everything they have on that person. I got my gr.gr.gr.grandfather's civil war, death and marriage information that way. Hope this helps.
2008-12-18 06:34:21 UTC
Sure. Here in the USA, birth certificates were rare before 1900, and not required by some states until the 1920's. A friend of mine said "In West Virginia, if you were breathing you'd been born, if you weren't you were dead, and a piece of paper wasn't going to change it."



Again in the USA, a Social Security application, draft card, army enlistment, and death certificate all have a person's birth date. If the professionals couldn't find it, I doubt any of us will be able to.
Nothingusefullearnedinschool
2008-12-18 17:47:14 UTC
There are people being born in the U.S. of A. today that do not have birth certificates, so yes!

I have an ancestor who died in 1915 in Kansas City, MO and have not been able to find out anything more about her.

There are no accurate sources in genealogy and I especially include official records. Both of my grandmothers are "officially" recorded with different dates of birth and differing names!

So, what you ask is quite likely; a number of my relatives in the late 1800s had no birth certificates. They just were not required. In fact, my baby sister had no birth/death certificate.

If your relative lived long enough to be able to have a Social Security Number, he might be in the S.S.D.I. (Social Security Death Index).
2008-12-18 08:52:07 UTC
Yes it is .. Prior to 1900 births' weren't always recorded. There could be numorous reasons.. family is poor, it was recorded and there was a court house fire (happen alot ) .. childe died very young . had to flee a country at war and couldn't take anything .



My great aunt was born on the train between West Virginia and Kentucky (her parents were going somewhere and my great aunt was born pre-mature ) . Although her birth was recorded in the family bible . it was not at the court house.



When she applied for social security ..we had to take in the family bible and one of her 16 siblings to prove who she was.



My one cousin Laura died when she was 5 or 6 years of age, the only thing that proves she was ever born is a picture ..there's no death record, no birth record even though her family had was very rich in the 1880s (her father was a lawyer ). laura died of Consumption.



Mnay times back then when a childe died the only thing that proved exsistance is a picture. I have one picture of a baby carriage (and yes there is a baby in it) unfortunaly the childe is deceased.. its the only thing that proves laura had a baby brother.



if you know how old the person was when he/she died you can could guess at a birth year.



i'd be happy to help if you need some, just email me



carrie
Veronica Alicia
2008-12-18 10:43:26 UTC
Yes.

I worked in an hospital, mostly with people over 65 and one gentleman who was on one of my wards had no Pension. His birth had never been registered (born later than your relative obviously) and I had to get a doctor to write a report declaring that in his opinion the patient was old enough to be eligible for a State Pension.
Ellie Evans-Thyme
2008-12-18 12:54:35 UTC
Sure, to add to what Shirley T. and Ted Pack have said, it's entirely possible for someone born in 1888/1889 to go through life without a birth certificate. My parents were both born at home in Texas in the small towns of Frost, Navarro County, and Grapevine, Tarrant County, in the years of 1920 and 1925 respectively. A physician attended each birth, and both sets of grandparents would have been considered middle to upper-middle class. My dad's birth is particularly memorable because the doctor wouldn't let my grandfather come downstairs to see the new baby because he had the flu (as part of the worldwide pan-epidemic of influenza). The general practictioner who diagnosed my red measles at age seven (when we were visiting my maternal grandmother during the Christmas holidays) attended my mother's birth.



My dad had finished college and law school, was drafted and shipped to Europe, and had worked as an attorney for 40 years before he obtained a birth certificate. My mother also had graduated from college, had taught in the Texas public schools, and had given birth to two children before she obtained hers.



To make a long story short, my mother talked my dad into taking her to Europe in 1981 (he didn't want to go, having seen it all before in World War II). To obtain a passport, each had to have a birth certificate. In both cases, older brothers (either age 5 or age 10 at the time of each parent's birth) swore that they remembered it. Both births were also recorded in family bibles. It was a different age--my oldest maternal uncle, then age 10 now age 93, claims he didn't know my grandmother was expecting until the children (aged 10, 8, 5, and 3) were shown their new baby sister.
Death_on_the_stairs
2008-12-20 22:23:37 UTC
Just a thought but maybe you should check out immigration and naturalisation records.



If your relative was an immigrant then he won't have a birth certificate.
2008-12-18 06:28:16 UTC
Yep I have no record of my birth my family are gypsies, I have no birth certificate, this has caused me loads of problems, work, getting married
baye
2008-12-18 15:08:42 UTC
Yes many births were not recorded in the times you are refering to., especially for non european/white people. In Australia and the Pacific it is common to have an ancestor who was not registered at birth.
tanika971
2008-12-18 06:27:19 UTC
Yes it was then, a lot of people births were not recorded for various reasons especially if they were poor, or born on the wrong side of the blanket.
Benthebus
2008-12-18 11:27:50 UTC
Well yes you can, I would look on the Census for 1891, then you need to try and find a baptism, Have a look at http://www.familysearch.org you might just find him.



He should be in the civil registration index's you might need to look under variants of the surname



Good luck and good hunting
2008-12-18 06:26:45 UTC
Not really all births marriages and deaths are recorded unless he was illegitimate, the mother might not have registered the birth. The other reason might be the wrong year, place of birth or name
Bumumble the 3rd (Bow down 2 me)
2008-12-18 06:26:06 UTC
you can but it will be hard to:

go abroad/ get passport

get a provisional/ full driving licence

get married

get a job

and get a death certificate

open a bank account

get a morgage

go to education
2008-12-18 14:28:51 UTC
I got an invoice.


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