There's somthing weird going on with my nans side of the family?

Question

Before my nan died and I asked her about her side of the family she said she didn't know much because her mum would never talk about it because it was some sort of disgrace. Apparently my great nan was born out of wedlock, as was her other sisters.

My nan did write down a few bits of info for me but she only wrote down initials (it was a little bit of paper..) Now about 3 years later I can't remember what the initials were short for, but looking on the internet and the census' I found my great nan, and i've found her mum, however free bmd telling me she was born in 1929 with her mother's maiden name mileson when I know that she was born in 1909 with her mothers maiden name mileson. Then I was trying to find her father through seeing who mileson was married to, I found his name to be Frederick Farey, and I know thats right as my nan had initials down as F J Farey, Just to make sure I cross referenced where he lived with what my nan wrote down, so it all adds up.
However it's showing me that both parents got married 20 odd years after they had there kids and from what it seems they didn't live together either? Is there any sort of expanation that can be given other than the websites aren't always right? I was thinking maybe my great nans birth certificate was amended or somthing in 1929 after there parents finally got together odd years later. However I have no idea.

The names were May Winifred Farey (my great nan) Her mum Sarah Alice Mileson, and her dad Frederick J? Farey. If anyone could help me search and find a answer to why this side of my family is so weird it would be a great help. Also if i'm not asking to much, i'd like to know who may's sisters were.. I know one of them had a daughter called Alma.
Thank you :)

Answer 1

I think you have misunderstood the entries in the birth indexes. Perhaps I did not explain things clearly when I answered your previous question.



The dates in the birth indexes are not a record of when a person was born. They are a record of when the birth was registered. This is an important distinction in this case.



The entry in 1929 does not mean that May Winifred Farey was born in 1929, but that a registration of her birth was made in that year, or rather a re-registration as I deduce from the evidence in this case. If you use the 1929 references to order the birth certificate, I am confident that the certificate will give the actual birth date in 1905.



This is what I think happened: May Winifred Farey's parents were unmarried when she was born in 1905. An illegitimate child can only be registered with the father's surname if the father attends the Register Office to register the birth. When an unmarried mother registers the birth, the child is given the mother's surname.



The original birth entry in 1905 for May Winifred F Mileson suggests that the mother registered the birth and, because the father was not present to give his consent, the best she could do was to give the child the name Farey as a middle name.



In 1925, Frederick Farey married Sarah A Mileson which meant that May Winifred's birth was now legitimized. In 1929, May Winifred married Herbert R Lindstrom. Why May Winifred found it necessary to regularize the registration of her birth at this time is a matter of supposition. Perhaps they were going abroad for their honeymoon and she needed a passport which would require the production of a birth certificate. For whatever reason, a corrected birth certificate was issued in 1929 and a new entry made in the birth index in that year. At the same time, a handwritten entry was made at the bottom of the page of the 1905 index under Farey referring to the 1929 entry.



This handwritten entry in the 1905 index clearly indicates a re-registration in 1929 of a birth that occurred in 1905. This situation is not at all unusual and I have come across it several times before.



There is a birth registered in West Ham in June quarter 1907 of a Frederick James Farey who may be a brother of May Winifred. There are a number of Farey births in West Ham on freebmd so it is not possible to identify which may be her sisters without some indication of their names. If you search the 1911 census for Sarah and May, any other siblings born before that date should be shown living with them.



You may also be interested in this marriage in September quarter 1909:-

Frederick Farey, W Ham district, volume 4a page 338.

There are two marriages on this page and the bride's names are Sarah Ann Clark and Alice Ethel Bird.

Answer 2

I'm not sure, but it could be one of two explanations; either your relatives could have been married by a commanding officer or sea captain, which is falsely assumed to be legal, but isn't, and so the children would effectively be illegitimate, until a later legal marriage took place (probably after the war, a lot of young couples rushed into this kind of marriage during those times, as the "husband" was obviously leaving on a possible one way journey) and the birth certificate amended to legitimise them.

Or secondly, it could just be a case of the records office in her local area being bomb in WWI and records destroyed, then after the being re-issued, either taking that date or as close as an could get to the actual date (with no records to reference, mistakes were probably common place)

Hope this helps, though may not be the reason, may be a contributory factor

Answer 3

nothing to add except comment on weird records, and solving the conflicts.. ex hubby's mom was born in a small town in Oklahoma, which isn't far from the Texas state line. In the 1920s.. being from Okla was equated with being poor and looked down on. A few weeks later, mom goes home to Texas (her husband was working at a job, just over the line), and registered the birth there. When births were at home, people could get away with such things. So.. she actually had 2 birth certificates from 2 states.

It took talking to a sister of the grandmother to confirm that she was actually there in Oklahoma when the baby was born (at the gr parents home). Grandma was embarrassed to say baby was born in Okla, people tended to "like" Texas better.

The oddball things make you scratch your head..but help you look for alternate ideas how to find things.

Answer 4

Name Christina sound familiar at all?



Marriages Sep 1925 Farey Christina

Davies W. Ham 4a 997

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Births Dec 1903

Mileson Christina Alice F W. Ham 4a 167



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Births Sep 1905 Mileson May Winifred F W. Ham 4a 125

{bet that extra 'F' stands for Farey}

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Births Sep 1905



Farey May W West Ham 4a *



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Guessing of course - you are going to have to bite the bullet and order some certs.



BTW- my ggrandmother was illegitimate and we have two birth certs for her.

Answer 5

you do no longer say how previous your Nan is. yet she might just about would desire to be up there in her Nineteen Fifties a minimum of, and consistent with probability Sixties. She would desire to have been very lonely while your grandpa died, and then abruptly there became into this new man or woman who became into commencing to make her sense some happiness back and now he has desperate that the courting isn't working for him. So now she is much greater blended up and depressing. yet i think of there is greater going at here. i think of she is in prefer of a few extreme scientific help. there is no longer that lots in all probability which you're able to do, yet your mom, or your Dad -whoever's mom she is - needs to talk on your loved ones universal practitioner - or get an appointment to work out somebody who makes a speciality of issues affecting the innovations. no one can precisely stress her to get help if she basically flat-out refuses, yet I unquestionably think of somebody has to attempt and convince her. quite while this guy desperate he did no longer prefer to proceed in the courting, it had some thing to do with this surprising outbreak of wierd behaviours. yet i do no longer think of that brought about it. i think of there became into some thing occurring together with her already, and this adventure basically rather added it out. you would be unable to make particular, of path, however that's fairly conceivable that this guy became into commencing to work out some thing occurring that wasn't quite "nicely suited", and that this became into the reason he broke off together with her. that's many times unhappy while somebody who would have been married for a protracted time, loses his, or her better half. that's a significant emotional component and for many individuals that's an fairly stressful component to would desire to get used to the super substitute in that man or woman's existence. And if, by using any probability, there is an underlying well being project - there already - yet basically no longer showing itself - a dramatic substitute in that man or woman's existence can set off it, and this could be why that's all popping out nicely suited at the instant. Your Nan isn't conversing on your mom nicely suited now, yet you are able to, and that i think of you and your mom would desire to have a good communicate mutually, and you will desire to attempt and convince your mom that some style of extreme intervention is now needed. you will desire to locate out one way or yet another what that's that occuring with Nan - previously it gets any worse.