Question:
How to verify family Achievement/Estuchion/Crest/coat of Arms?
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2014-08-02 14:19:54 UTC
I have the relatively rare surname of Whewell and according to my father my great grandfather somehow got out of being cannon fodder in WW 1 because the recruitment officer recognized his name of being aristocratic or something. I wanted to see if this had any basis so googling Whewell got William Whewell but he died 1866 so that leaves a few decades between the two. Trying to find a family crest in "Fairbairn's book of crests of the families of Great Britain and Ireland" revealed "a dexter hand in bend couped at the wrist in the act of conveying to another dexter hand arg., issuant from the wreath, a torch erect" (a right hand cut off at the wrist giving another right hand a torch) as well as a one specific to a single person apparently, "Thomas, esquire, of fair elms, Blackburn, a wyvern sejant...". A website gave the description of "Family Crest: A hand couped at the wrist in the act of giving a red torch with gold fire to another hand.", supporting Fairbairns book and additionally "Family Coat of Arms: A silver shield with a blue bend charged with three silver Diana's heads, crined and horned gold." and gave a little back story on Lord of the Manor sutff. "House of names" had a graphic that supported this description further but also has "ancient arms" for job derived surnames like Smith and Cooper so I don't trust them much.
So how can I confirm that I am linked to that particular line of Whewells and how could I get a graphic family crest? (be a nice convo starter)
Six answers:
Maxi
2014-08-02 14:37:40 UTC
Surnames do not have Coats of Arms and your father is repeating a family story he was clearly told however no recruit in WW1 was not signed up " because of a surname" there are no aristocratic surnames, possibly a story told to explain why he hadn't signed up to fight and it is much easier saying that than he was deemed medically unfit or he was too old/young or was required because of the job he did, ie farming, steel worker etc that story stops people asking more questions many of which he couldn't or didn't want to answer.



I will let you read this it explains it well http://familytimeline.webs.com/coatofarmsmyths.htm and as far as those surname coat of arms websites they are scam merchants selling people tacky products, so take anything they say with a pinch of salt as it is complete fiction, mixed in with unrelated information and is nothing to do with what they are selling
Observer
2014-08-03 10:10:19 UTC
There is no such thing as a “Family Crest”. The coat of arms which the crest is part of is presented to an individual for services rendered to the monarch. When one was knighted they were awarded a coat of arms, a title and rewarded with land and financial reward. In most cases, the title and the coat of arms attached to and can only be passed to the oldest living son or in some cases Grandson. Also the monarch could revoke a title and take back all that went with it at any time. Take a look at King Henry VIII and what he did to titled families.
Shirley T
2014-08-02 19:19:55 UTC
The surname product business is a scam. A crest is merely part of a coat of arms. Coat of arms in Britain were/are granted to individuals not families and have nothing at all to do with surnames. Also a good way to tell that a coat of arms was purchased from a surname product peddler is it will have a surname on a scroll underneath and sometimes over it. Coats of arms that have been validly granted will not have a surname anywhere attached.



The only way to tell anything about your family history is by research, starting with yourself and working back one generation at a time.
wendy c
2014-08-02 16:11:01 UTC
You identify your ancestry METHODICALLY.. by first identifying your father (with documentation).. then prove his father (again with documentation), next grandpa's father. Lather, rinse, repeat. Always use a record (not relying on memory or guessing). Of course, while you are doing this, you find the wives/mothers/grandmother of each (all of them having own birth names, but just as much your ancestors).

This, in short, is how one does genealogy, instead of grabbing some random name and trying to attach yourself. NEVER DO RANDOM. It is a semi scientific method of proof (even if someone tells you info, it may be misleading).

I am offering you genealogy. Coats of arms are ONLY issued to an individual, much like a war medal. Not to siblings, cousins, etc. There are no family crests. Ever. Very glad that you didn't trust houseof.fakenames, you are right. They scam persons who are more into "prestige" and fake family crests. Glad you recognized this.

When you do REPUTABLE research, you will find your ancestors and family. If you happen to bump into the real guy with a coat of arms (there may not be one), it will be obvious. Otherwise, you still have a reliable family tree.
anonymous
2014-08-03 04:33:53 UTC
I'm afraid your father's story is utterly ridiculous, on a number of levels:



Level 1: Being aristocratic didn't get *anyone* out of the British Army in WWI. Just the opposite; it was expected that upper-class men should join the forces and lead their 'inferiors'; into battle from the front; that was what they were for. and they genuinely did; the death-toll of upper-class men in that war was actually proportionately far *greater* than for working-class men.



Level 2: And if it had been somehow an 'aristocratic name', and even if he had wanted to, the officer at the conscription depot would have had no power to exempt him on that account; the machine didn't work like that. All he could have done, and what he probably would have done if he had realised that the conscript in front of him was a 'gentleman'; (which of course is by no means the same thing as an 'aristocrat';) was to say ';Hey, you shouldn't be a ranker - off you go to officer school'. The snag with this piece of 'privilege' is that as a junior officer he would have been right in the very highest-risk rank of the entire army; a subaltern's life-span on the Western Front was statistically far shorter than that of an Other Rank.



Level 3: There have never been *any* aristocratic Whewells; no family of that name has ever held a peerage. In fact the first crest you found belongs to the only person of that name who has ever been notable enough in any way to make it into the enormous Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: Dr William Whewell, who was a Victorian clergyman and scholar. This Whewell was of very humble origins - his father was a carpenter in Lancaster - but his academic achievements brought him into the scholarly middle class and therefore entitled him to apply for and obtain a grant of arms. However, he died childless, and therefore this coat of arms died with him; nobody in the whole wide world since then has been entitled to use it. Even if you could prove you were descended from one of his brothers or sisters, for example, you still would have no claim to it: it was granted to him and to 'the heirs of his body'; alone. The full grant of arms is listed at the link, which is the official registry of British coats of arms as at 1884. This registry doesn't list the other crest you mention at all; it may well be an even later grant. But in any case, unless you could prove you were the senior lineal male descendant of this 'Thomas, Esq. of Fair Elms, Blackburn' (and you do realise, don't you, what a very modest middle-class status and address that is?) you could not in any sense claim that one as having any connection to you either, let alone call it your own.



My guess is that your family story is just hopelessly garbled. It's perfectly possible that the recruiting officer was a friend of your great-grandfather's family, and when he heard his name he either got him out of service on some pretext or other (e.g. advised him what to do to fail the medical examination) or swung it for him to go into a behind-the-lines job; of course that sort of thing happened. And that might well have gone down in family lore as 'because the officer recognised the name'. But it certainly wasn't because the name was aristocratic.



However, by all means do research your ancestry and see if your family tree joins up with that of either of those people. It might quite possibly join up with both: Blackburn and Lancaster are only about 30 miles apart, after all, so Dr William and Thomas Esq might quite possibly have been cousins in some degree. (That still won't entitle you to claim either of their coats of arms, though!)
anonymous
2014-08-02 15:36:51 UTC
With enough work on your part, you could trace your line back to some Whewell or other. if it is the one with the coat of arms, chances are you are not the eldest legitimate son f the eldest legitimate son of the ... , so you have no claim to it. It would be a nice conversation piece, though.



If you fine the eldest legitimate son ... who is alive, he might let you photograph his.



If you believed the story of the recruiting officer, I should warn you about e-mail from people in Nigeria who want to share untold wealth with you.


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