Question:
How many White Americans REALLY have Native ancestry?
2013-08-16 14:36:43 UTC
I hear about many people black and white claim to have Native American blood (especially Cherokee). All they have to go on as proof are either stories about their Native ancestor or old black and white pictures. In fact, most of them who do genealogical research don't find any Native American ancestry at all. Sometimes it's black or mulatto ancestry they find instead. This makes me skeptical of my own lineage. I'm very fascinated with genealogy and my mom told me that her grandmother (her mom's mom) was a full blooded Cherokee Indian. I've seen many pictures of her and she does actually look it. She had black hair, dark eyes, high cheekbones, dark skin, and a long, hook like nose. Most of people in my mom's family have some of those features. I'm still not 100% sure if it's true or not because for starters, my great grandmother's maiden name was Chaney(which is a Scottish surname, doesn't sound Cherokee at all), second, my great grandparents were from Eastern Kentucky and were married in 1932. Which is strange because up until 1967, mixed marriages were illegal in the south and most parts of the country and I don't know how they were able to get away with it back then. I just wondering how many White Americans TRUELY have Native American ancestry. I hear all these studies of 30% of whites having black ancestry and about 1 in 20 blacks have Native ancestry, but I've never seen a study of how many whites have native ancestry. I would really appreciate it. P.S, give me actual statistics and research and please don't go on and on about your supposed half Cherokee great great grandmother or your "Cherokee Princess" ancestor (unless you have actual proof).
Seven answers:
wendy c
2013-08-16 15:30:44 UTC
Well, you already know part of the answer to your question. Many persons claim Native ancestry which isn't factual.

Then.. you go on to say Grandma's maiden name is Chaney, and stereotype it to be proof of being Scottish. So, you still are working with assumptions.. which is NOT GENEALOGY. You apparently have not documented her parents.. her father may be Chaney, her mother is NOT, and neither prove or disprove anything. Including her picture. She COULD be of Native lineage.. her picture is not proof, her surname is not proof. The law about "mixed marriages" is not proof.

Studies are not proof of anything, so why are you asking for that? Millions of Americans may have a mixed or native ancestor in their background.. if they don't do genealogy, they would have no idea. You can get legitimate numbers of persons who are enrolled and validated tribal members. Even if such studies existed...what does that prove? It does not prove anything relating to your personal ancestors.

For experienced researchers (which, by the way..is what you find in this area, with the regulars), we believe NOTHING unless we have documentation/ valid proof. Your goal is finding that proof for your ancestors. We also deal daily with persons who start out with "but grandpa told me..." .

I don't have any Cherokee ancestry. My ancestors are Polish.



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browse through the questions here. How many of them are "where does come from??" We try to be patient, and explain.. it does not matter where a surname comes from. That isn't genealogy.
shortgilly
2013-08-16 23:42:49 UTC
The accurate answer is no one knows for certain since such records are not kept and precise research at the required scale is not possible. My answer in this question reviews the available statistics for all Americans with Native American ancestry: https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20130729173309AAvOtV2



We do know that many white Americans, and black Americans too, have family stories thst turn out to be false or mixed up when researched. Ergo, the numbe rof white Americans with Native zamerican ancestry is likely smaller than those that claim it. This is not a phenomenon exclusive to Native American ancestry though. It's also quite common for Americans to have stories that an ancestral line was German or Irish, when really they were English or Dutch. For some reasons, these errors get forgiven and ignored as errors, perhaps because they at least had the right continent.
Maxi
2013-08-16 21:49:32 UTC
Each and very family in the world has stories about ancestors, they are just stories and before you start researching and proving ancestry those stories need writing up, dating and who told you, it is part of who your family is true or not............ HOWEVER those stories rarely turn out to be true, there may be some truth in some, most are changed so much over the years they are nothing at all like the truth and many are used to cover up other things......... genealogy is ONLY about researching and proving....... your surname tells you nothing about where your ancestry is from, at best it tells you the language spoken or what influenced the first ancestor to take the name heard/spoke you never surname search for that reason as you are not looking for a word and the language it is fro, you are looking for a person and the records they generated during their lifetime, who just happened to use that word as a surname and photos also prove nothing at all....... one of the most famous 'NAs' who fooled America was Italian and not NA at all
Shirley T
2013-08-16 23:48:18 UTC
I don't think anyone knows. Probably the chances of someone having some native ancestry increases the further they go back in colonial times. The immigrants that came in to the U.S. during the great wave of immigration, that would be the latter part of the 19th century and first part of the 20th century for many generations live in their own neighborhoods, married one of their own etc. In the last 60 years that has not been the case as much.
Thomas
2013-08-17 01:50:52 UTC
It is good that you question the myths, rather than get all romantic about the NOTION of having Cherokee blood before you have any proof whatsoever. Once that pseudo-identity is internalized people will do the sloppiest research in genealogy to "make" someone "Cherokee" that wasn't. They want to "prove" this ancestry by any means necessary...so, they'll come up with all kinds of alternative "Cherokee" history of families hiding out and passing for white, etc.



But, you want real facts to help you do research? Consider this:



The Cherokee population just leading up to the Trail of Tears was about 17-18000 souls still in the east. That is a small population we are talking about. About 1/3 of the tribe had already moved west ahead of the forced roundups. The majority of Cherokees were living WITHIN THEIR OWN TERRITORY, or what was left of their remaining lands. Only a tiny fraction could be found outside of the Cherokee borders in the mid to late 1830s. These were mostly a few women (and particularly of mixed blood) living with their White/American spouses. This is the statistical and demographic reality.



But, here is the most important thing about trying to do research on "Cherokee ancestry" based on location or some kind of regional osmosis:



If you look at the traditional Cherokee settlement patterns, territorial claims, land cessions and the process of White settlement, you can plainly see that ALL of Kentucky was never really heavily settled by Cherokee. In fact, it WASN'T at all. There were no major villages there. Ever. It was more of a hunting ground and miltiary buffer zone between tribes. And it was also claimed by other tribal nations. It was just that the Cherokee were strong enough to claim it and defend it and eventually ceded it to Europeans. And they did this early in American history. Most of the lands in Kentucky were ceded by the Cherokee Nation right after Americans declared Independence in 1777, and the remaining sliver in south central part of the state was ceded to the Americans in 1806.



Once Cherokee ceded this territory, whites moved in, and the few Cherokee that may have been in that area had to moved out. There were not a bunch of Cherokees just hanging out in these lands. To claim that this is the case...well, it's just historically inaccurate. There were few Cherokees in KY before the 1777, and almost none after 1806. Any Cherokees that were living there were sojourning far away from their people, hundreds of miles away from the closest Cherokee communities and they would represent isolated aberrations. Of course, this doesn't exclude Cherokee or Native American war parties taking forays into formerly ceded territory. But, this led open warfare with White settlers. It wasn't as if Cherokee families weren't somehow trying to settle Kentucky after ceding this territory.



The majority of the Cherokee tribe moved west by 1840. The notion that there were "many" that stayed behind is the biggest fallacy in "Cherokee genealogy." No, there were a finite number of Cherokees that did this, and they also represented a minority of the main body. It was not "many," it was "a small number." People have to get some perspective on this when they are doing Cherokee genealogy. Most of the people that were able to stay behind made their way to the 1817 and 1819 allottment communities in extreme western NC, along the Econoluftee River. There were a few hundred families that stayed behind, not thousands.



The other group that stayed behind were some mixed bloods that were already married to non-Cherokee spouses. They were not large numbers and they are found on several rolls. They weren't "hiding out" because that was part of the terms of the removal treaty. They could choose to stay. They just had to forfeit their tribal affiliation and become American citizens. The Cherokees that didn't want to do that moved west or took to the area around Qualla. The few fullblood families that stayed in extreme SE TN eventually moved over to Qualla as well (in the early 1900s). There were no large numbers of Cherokees remaining in the southeast after 1840. Just some scattered families in their former territories and one intact community in western NC. That is it. A smattering of low blood Cherokee descendants could be found, but the only intact community in the east after 1840 was around Qualla. There were no communities in Kentucky. So, there could be no high degree of blood for people born in that state within the last few generations. They only way a "Kentuckian" can have any real Cherokee ancestry is if they can show an ancestor came from hundred of miles south and were from real, recognized Cherokee families.
Salish
2013-08-17 00:26:08 UTC
According to genetic studies conducted by Harvard University, less than 4% of either black or white americans have any native american ancestry. I should note, this includes people who are documented "mixedrace" who are enrolled members of federally recognized tribes, such as myself and my children.



http://dna-explained.com/2012/12/18/proving-native-american-ancestry-using-dna/



You're correct though, the majority of non-natives I know will happily claim a "Full blooded cherokee indian grandma"...but will lack any sort of proof thereof. The vast majority of these family stories are mistaken.



A curious note? up to 30% of "white" americans have African DNA. http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/02/henry-louis-gates-exactly-how-black-is.html
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2013-08-18 05:18:26 UTC
I am not sure; I do my father's family has two bloodlines from the House Of Moytoy; Oconostota is the most beloved of all Cherokee chiefs


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